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God is not mocked: A man reaps what he sows- John Piper’s marriage trouble

March 30, 2010 by Charis

If they permit husbands to abuse,
is there anything to keep them from using power and control against their own wives?   -Waneta Dawn

John Piper takes leave of ministry to work on his marriage HT Cheryl Schatz.

I was hoping to be able to finally give you an example of a Christian whose public display of repentance rose to the level of professing Buddhist- Tiger Woods’.  Piper’s statement that “there is no whiff of unfaithfulness on either side” sounds very much like Benny Hinn’s letter.  I judge Piper’s response to marriage travail far better than Hinn’s: Though he avoids a firm “the buck stops here!”, Piper’s words inch toward an admission of pride, and Piper stepped down from his ministry to focus on his marriage.   But I have to admit that I am disappointed, that unlike Tiger,  Piper leaves the door open for his wife to be blamed

As you may have already heard in the sermon from March 27-28, the elders graciously approved on March 22 a leave of absence that will take me away from Bethlehem from May 1 through December 31, 2010. We thought it might be helpful to put an explanation in a letter to go along with the sermon.

I asked the elders to consider this leave because of a growing sense that my soul, my marriage, my family, and my ministry-pattern need a reality check from the Holy Spirit. On the one hand, I love my Lord, my wife, my five children and their families first and foremost; and I love my work of preaching and writing and leading Bethlehem. I hope the Lord gives me at least five more years as the pastor for preaching and vision at Bethlehem.

But on the other hand, I see several species of pride in my soul that, while they may not rise to the level of disqualifying me for ministry, grieve me, and have taken a toll on my relationship with Noël and others who are dear to me. How do I apologize to you, not for a specific deed, but for ongoing character flaws, and their effects on everybody? I’ll say it now, and no doubt will say it again, I’m sorry. Since I don’t have just one deed to point to, I simply ask for a spirit of forgiveness; and I give you as much assurance as I can that I am not making peace, but war, with my own sins.

Noël and I are rock solid in our commitment to each other, and there is no whiff of unfaithfulness on either side. But, as I told the elders, “rock solid” is not always an emotionally satisfying metaphor, especially to a woman. A rock is not the best image of a woman’s tender companion. In other words, the precious garden of my home needs tending. I want to say to Noël that she is precious to me in a way that, at this point in our 41-year pilgrimage, can be said best by stepping back for a season from virtually all public commitments.

No marriage is an island. For us this is true in two senses. One is that Noël and I are known inside-out by a few friends at Bethlehem—most closely by our long-time colleagues and friends David and Karin Livingston, and then by a cluster of trusted women with Noël and men with me. We are accountable, known, counseled, and prayed for. I am deeply thankful for a gracious culture of transparency and trust among the leadership at Bethlehem.

The other way that our marriage is not an island is that its strengths and defects have consequences for others. No one in the orbit of our family and friends remains unaffected by our flaws. My prayer is that this leave will prove to be healing from the inside of my soul, through Noël’s heart, and out to our children and their families, and beyond to anyone who may have been hurt by my failures.

By John Piper. © Desiring God.  Website: desiringGod.org

Personally, I think the whole problem is that he is entrenched in bad destructive marriage killing doctrine on how a marriage should work. Why has it taken 41 years for him to finally hear and regard his wife?

Here is an excerpt from his book “The Momentary Marriage” by John Piper (source)

The Sadness of Scorned Beauty

It is a great sadness that in our society—even in the church—the dif­ferent and complementary roles of biblical headship for the husband and biblical submission for the wife are despised or simply passed over. Some people just write them off as sub-Christian cultural leftovers from the first century.  Others distort and misuse them—I mentioned earlier that I actually sat in my office once with a husband who believed that submission meant his wife should not go from one room to the other in the house without asking his permission.  That kind of pathological distortion makes it easier for people to dispense with texts like these in the Bible.

But the truth of headship and submission is really here and really beautiful. When you see it lived out with the mark of Christ’s majesty on it—the mutuality of servanthood without canceling the reality of headship and submission—it is a wonderful and deeply satisfying drama. So let’s ponder from this text first what submission is not, and then what it is.

What Submission Is

If that’s what submission is not, then what is it? At the end of Chapter 6, based on Ephesians 5, I suggested that submission is the divine call­ing of a wife to honor and affirm her husband’s leadership and help carry it through according to her gifts. That’s what we see here as well. It’s the disposition to follow a husband’s authority, and an inclination to yield to his leadership….

Noël expressed her misgivings communicated clearly that she endorses my leadership and affirms me in my role as head; and 4) because she has made it clear to me from the beginning of our marriage that if, when we have done all the talking we should, we still disagree, she will defer to her husband’s decision.

God’s Way Is Good for Us

So I end this chapter with the reminder that marriage is not mainly about staying in love. It’s about covenant-keeping. And the main rea­son it is about covenant-keeping is that God designed the relationship between a husband and his wife to represent the relationship between Christ and the church. This is the deepest meaning of marriage. And that is why ultimately the roles of headship and submission are so important. If our marriages are going to tell the truth about Christ and his church, we cannot be indifferent to the meaning of headship and submission. And let it not go unsaid that God’s purpose for the church—and for the Christian wife who represents it—is her everlast­ing, holy joy. Christ died for her to bring that about.

Clearly, Noel bought that this Genesis 3:16 paradigm is “good”. Can you see there how she gave him the male trump card?  Of course he took it!  And went to great theological lengths to justify it and promote it to others.

HT Paula Fether

Really, I suspect that Piper could have kept going like this the rest of their lives.   Why not?  He gets his way every time!  AND he gets to proclaim that his marriage doctrine is a “scorned beauty”,  “God’s way” and “good for us”.  I suspect that his wife’s unhappiness has been instrumental in this new inclination toward self examination and I pray that this will lead to a full scale renunciation from him of marriage killing doctrines.

I remember when I was a wholly owned subsidiary of this doctrine.  I remember walking outside and talking with God and reminding Him that HIS Scripture PROMISED that HIS yoke is easy and HIS burden is light and I did not find it so at all.  The burden was so heavy, I could see no way out of it but my death.  I wanted to die: my frame of mind was such that I would have embraced cancer or something as an escape hatch from God to bring me relief.

Waneta Dawn’s post just a few days before Piper stepped down is amazingly prophetic. As Dawn suggests, the breaking news confirms: The blindness he exhibited in advising women in troubled marriages profoundly damaged his relationship with his own wife.  Hopefully, he is on a journey and will continue deeper.  I find hope in Piper’s declaration of  “a growing sense that my soul, my marriage, my family, and my ministry-pattern need a reality check from the Holy Spirit”.

CBMW uses Power and Control Tools of Abusers- by Waneta Dawn

First, Piper minimized (made light of, spoke of them as being insignificant) emotional, verbal, and spiritual abuse by calling them “verbal unkindness.” Then he denies the seriousness of the situation by telling wives to endure it “for a season.” With his focus on wife submission, and his emphasis on allowing a wife to refuse to submit ONLY if her husband is CLEARLY asking her to sin, he is blaming wives by holding them responsible for their husbands’ sin against them, except in cases that are so extreme even Piper, or another pastor with male authority bias, would agree they are sin…

But the fact that Piper and Ware have publically shown their unconcern for the plight of abused wives, that they have blamed wives rather than held husbands accountable, that they have excused or minimized the husband’s abusive actions, that they are not horrified by the abuse, makes it clear that they permit husbands to abuse.  If they permit husbands to abuse, is there anything to keep them from using power and control against their own wives

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  1. on March 31, 2010 at 2:38 pm Mara

    I pray the Piper will come to his senses, disregard the hit he will take financially, and refute his older teachings.

    For him personally, I pray that he and his wife can work out these differences, and work them out in such a way that GOD is pleased, rather than Piper and CBMW being pleased.

    I’m not holding my breath. But I can hope all the same.

    Oh, and… “Dear God, give Noel WHATEVER she needs to help her marriage become one that glorifies You. Thank You, Amen.”


  2. on April 7, 2010 at 8:52 am Thy Kingdom Come on Earth as it is in Heaven « A Wife’s Submission

    [...] as God’s will and way.  They look at the English translation of a few Bible verses, listen to some smooth talking preacher, and  fall all over themselves to support it.  They are captivated by the shiny red apple filled [...]


  3. on April 7, 2010 at 1:05 pm Don’t Drink the Koolaid « A Wife’s Submission

    [...] and their marriage is in trouble [...]


  4. on April 14, 2010 at 9:40 pm Parrot

    “The burden was so heavy, I could see no way out of it but my death. I wanted to die: my frame of mind was such that I would have embraced cancer or something as an escape hatch from God to bring me relief.”

    My exact experience. However, I did get cancer and even that is not a way out, except eventually, hopefully. I go to recheck appointments hoping it is back. How sick is that? Instead of cancer making him lighten up, it has only intensified the hell. This past week was an utter nightmare – if it weren’t for my children. It’s only my children that keep me going.

    It’s this crap that Piper et.al. cling onto which destroys souls, marriages, families.


  5. on April 14, 2010 at 10:05 pm Charis

    Oh Parrot, I’m sooo sorry :( I wish I could give you a big hug and be “Jesus with skin on”. Doesn’t sound like you get any of that from the one who made vows to you. Do you have some real life friends who can love you and provide emotional support?


  6. on April 15, 2010 at 2:29 am Waneta Dawn

    “Noël and I are rock solid in our commitment to each other, and there is no whiff of unfaithfulness on either side.”

    How rock solid committed can someone be who esteems himself far more highly than his wife? Since when is unfaithfulness only sexual? Isn’t denigrating your mate in your daily actions and attitudes while raising yourself on a pedestal also being unfaithful?

    The marriage vows say something about loving and cherishing. When a partner “forgets” to cherish, he is being unfaithful. The sin of pride suggests that he cherished himself and dishonored his wife in many “little ways” on a regular basis.

    I think our churches put far too much proof of fidelity on our sexual behavior and far too little on loving, honoring, and cherishing our spouses. Indeed, if we honor and cherish our spouses, it is highly unlikely that we will be so tempted by another “lover.”

    A psychological study found that how a person interpreted his/her behavior toward another influenced how that person treated the other person. If the individual treated the other person badly, felt bad about it, and told himself that his behavior was uncalled for, that the person did not deserve it, he would likely treat her better in the future.

    However, if he treated her badly, at first felt awful, and then excused, minimized, or denied his behavior, or blamed her and said she deserved it, then it wouldn’t be long before he found something else faulty in her to give him the excuse to treat her poorly again.

    It is a person’s thinking process that ends up making us loving or abusive. And each of us have the capability to direct our actions–at least until we get to a certain point. Men who choose to think contemptuously of their wives and have increased this minset until they are quite abusive, find it nearly impossible to respect them.


  7. on April 15, 2010 at 2:24 pm Parrot

    Sorry for the dump. There is one person I am able to talk to who sees it and gets it.

    Not holding my breath that Piper will come around.


  8. on April 15, 2010 at 4:30 pm Charis

    Parrot,

    One thing you do NOT need to do is apologize for being stressed, overwhelmed, hurting, and emotional. You are allowed to feel and as far as it depends on me, you are safe to express those feelings here.

    (I’m speaking from my own experience of stuffing my feelings for many years and constantly apologizing any time anything spilled out. Therapy showed me that my constant apologizing was an indication that I was still a “victim”. I am allowed to feel and I am allowed to express and show my feelings- even unpleasant angry or sad feelings which my husband doesn’t want to deal with)

    I’m glad you have one RL person who understands.


  9. on April 15, 2010 at 9:43 pm Mara

    I second Charis.
    Parrot, let the emotions out so they can regulate and heal.
    You can do it here.


  10. on March 10, 2011 at 9:59 am John

    I take Piper’s confession to mean that he has allowed ministry to take a higher place in his heart and life than his wife and wants to change that. That he slowed or stopped pursuing and romancing his wife that their affection, communication and fellowship has waned. Perhaps they have argued where in the past they didn’t or he has become impatient at points with his wife. If that’s the case I’m guilty and most men who have been married more than 2 years are or have been at some point guilty of one or more of these things. This is a human issue, not a complementarian/egalitarian issue.

    And if what you are believing is true, that complementarian men actually want to be able to do this kind of thing, they are actually scheming to gain this kind of ability by their doctrine, then why in the world would he be confessing it at all? He would rather be praised by all his followers wouldn’t he? This is the desired outcome of complementarians! He would surely put away his wife rather than confess it as sin. And men confessing are never humble or sincere. And I’m sure you’re marriages and partnerships are perfect. No ebb and flow of two sinners in a fallen word, sheer perfection. Although somehow, though perfect, still growing. To the complementarian mind this makes no sense but the the spiritual enlightened it is possible to be perfect yet still becoming more like Christ.


  11. on March 10, 2011 at 10:00 am Charis

    John,
    I agree with you that there is ebb and flow in marriages. And I agree with you that everyone is imperfect.

    I disagree with anyone who support’s Piper’s doctrine of the male half of the marriage holding “final decision making authority”. I think that belief (which is highlighted in pink in my post) led to many decisions by him which trampled on her feelings and needs and sucked the life out of her.

    As for the rest of your comment, I have edited the sarcasm and your misreadings of what I have written and I surely hope you don’t twist your wife’s words like the portion I removed or it’s not looking rosy!

    Agape,
    Charis


  12. on March 10, 2011 at 10:45 am John

    full disclosure, the rest of the article used above for those who didn’t look it up:

    The difference between this leave and the sabbatical I took four years ago is that I wrote a book on that sabbatical (What Jesus Demands from the World). In 30 years, I have never let go of the passion for public productivity. In this leave, I intend to let go of all of it. No book-writing. No sermon preparation or preaching. No blogging. No Twitter. No articles. No reports. No papers. And no speaking engagements. There is one stateside exception—the weekend devoted to the Desiring God National Conference combined with the inaugural convocation of Bethlehem College and Seminary in October. Noël thought I should keep three international commitments. Our reasoning is that if she could go along, and if we plan it right, these could be very special times of refreshment together.

    The elders have appointed a group to stay in touch and keep me accountable for this leave. They are David Mathis, Jon Bloom, Tom Steller, Sam Crabtree, Jon Grano, Tim Held, Tony Campagna, and Kurt Elting-Ballard. Five of these have walked with Noël and me over the last two months, helping us discern the wisdom, scope, and nature of this leave. They brought the final recommendation to the elders on March 22.

    I asked the elders not to pay me for this leave. I don’t feel it is owed to me. I know I am causing more work for others, and I apologize to the staff for that. Not only that, others could use similar time away. Most working men and women do not have the freedom to step back like this. The elders did not agree with my request. Noël and I are profoundly grateful for this kind of affection. We will seek the Lord for how much of your financial support to give back to the church, to perhaps bear some of the load.

    Personally, I view these months as a kind of relaunch of what I hope will be the most humble, happy, fruitful five years of our 35 years at Bethlehem and 46 years of marriage. Would you pray with me to that end? And would you stand by your church with all your might? May God make these eight months the best Bethlehem has ever known. It would be just like God to do the greatest things when I am not there. “Neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth” (1 Corinthians 3:7).

    I love you and promise to pray for you every day.

    Pastor John



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